In this interview, Vanessa Codaccioni analyzes the modes of state repression, including exceptional devices. She also questions the current security policies, emblematic of the theories of neoliberal governance, which advocate “vigilance” and “resilience”, the questioning of professional secrets or intra-family denunciation, and define us as entrepreneurs responsible for our own security — including health — and that of others, thus relieving the State of all responsibility. Finally, noting that people have, for the most part, chosen security over freedom, she outlines three types of resistance strategies in the face of this repressive apparatus and its circular dynamic, in which the need for security and the political uses of fear perpetuate each other.