PM – The idea of this interview is to look back on two decades of progress, and re-consider the questions surrounding aesthetics and artistic interventions in organizations, of which you were one of the pioneers with your 2004 book Art Firms published by Stanford. In particular, would you say that an aesthetic approach has reconfigured the political vision of organizations? Over the past twenty years, a variety of articles have explored the field of organizational aesthetics, ranging from the reinterpretation of the concept of beauty to the questioning of leadership. Although the movement originated in France in 1984-87 with a special issue of the SCOS journal, Dragon, coordinated by Vincent Degot and Jean-Michel Benghozi, no French journal has attempted a recent review. However, in the rest of Europe, you have contributed to or edited several special issues published on the subject, such as the Scandinavian Journal of Management in 2013. What has this approach changed for organization studies, or for practices? Is a transformation really possible? If so, how? What are the conditions? Is it an aesthetic question, involving beauty, or art? You recently contributed to a book on magic in organizations, can you share some of your thoughts on this issue?PGM – Right now I’m working on a new book that will be released in the United States by Sternberg and Mighty Press late this year or early next year. I’m currently proofreading it. It’s going to be called Curating Capitalism, with a chapter on Latour, and another chapter partly on Rancière, indirectly through the Swedish film that won the Palme d’Or at Cannes two years ago…